A few weeks in the past, I posted in regards to the Tua Tagovailoa/Miami Dolphins contract scenario and the way it looks as if Tua’s final quantity goes up with each new quarterback contract. This adopted the signing of Trevor Lawerance by the Jacksonville Jaguars to a 5-year 275 million greenback deal. I then requested the next question-
Do you suppose Tua is value greater than 55 million {dollars} per season? Ought to the Dolphins give Tua a deal that exceeds Trevor Lawerance’s 55 million {dollars} per season common, or play hardball and supply him what they suppose is a contract that displays his precise worth?
Under are a few of your ideas and answers-
Call_for_the_Priest’77 says it’s value it as a result of the choice shouldn’t be higher.
Does it make sense to take a position massive in Tua when he has but to guide us into playoff relevance? I’m firmly within the sure camp on this. Investing is at all times a threat. You might be placing out cash forward of outcomes however like a lot of enterprise, that’s the nature of the sport. Gamers are paid by contract, not recreation by recreation outcomes.
I first take a look at Tua’s professional profession. He has improved yearly within the league, put up some unbelievable, even league main numbers in some circumstances and has proven super throwing expertise alongside the best way that few different QBs have accomplished. He additionally has prevailed via troublesome circumstances equivalent to a tyrannical out of contact head coach who was decided to exchange Tua the second the group acquired him. Following these first two years was a nightmare 12 months of significant concussions, but round which he nonetheless put up good numbers (and suffered no time loss accidents exterior of the concussions BTW for you Tua dissenters). And all through all this, Tua has stood tall, trusted his talents and performed nicely for us. This culminated in a league main passing title final 12 months and a extremely sudden season sweep by way of beginning all 17 video games (what’s occurring right here dissenters??). My backside line with regards to Tua’s play is that he’s far nearer to really elite QB standing than he’s to a terminally mediocrity standing QB.
The second facet to contemplate is the void left by Tua ought to he not get the type of deal he desires. A commerce or franchise tag would certainly consequence. The issue with the commerce thought is who’s going to be made obtainable on the market that present Tua’s promise and who can be considerably cheaper? Franchise tagging Tua would probably be shut sufficient in primary monetary phrases to what Tua is demanding. It might curtail some further calls for of Tua (equivalent to assured cash, size of contract…) however would there actually be that a lot distinction? And I wouldn’t exclude the potential of some draft capital heavy, QB salivating group from poaching Tua if he’s given a possible non-exclusive tag (2 first spherical picks as compensation for placing forth an quantity Miami wouldn’t wish to match). Franchise tags are a loss of life knell for gamers staying with their tagging groups so Tua would ultimately be freed as an FA and the group would get nothing in return. This leaves a fair larger void from Tua’s eventual absence.
So the best way I see it’s that Tua ought to receives a commission an inexpensive market worth and perhaps a bit extra by way of further base cash, incentives (potential extra cash if he statistically earns it), financial ensures and so forth. Has his manufacturing been value that up so far? Nicely, though we wish and want extra out of Tua, I’d say it’s doable he has been value this up so far. However now’s his potential value such a deal? Undoubtedly! And is it value paying (maybe) greater than we want to with a purpose to keep away from the hazards of changing Tua both right away or within the close to future (if tagged)? As soon as once more most undoubtedly sure!
tpl says no, make up the distinction in bonuses.
55 million a 12 months, no. I’d attempt to give him a lesser quantity, however with efficiency bonus
DolphinFan85 has so much to say, however I nonetheless do not know if he’s down with paying Tua.
Tua has to win interval. Who stated something was truthful in soccer? Tua does carry the burden of expectation from older followers who’ve seen a lot go fallacious for therefore lengthy when it counts most…To be truthful, Tua and Hill, Waddle and so forth have introduced me out of my seat numerous occasions the previous few seasons. Getting drafted excessive coming off a significant hip harm was one thing many followers had a tough time understanding, however from many accounts, Steve Ross had Tua as his private selection. I hope Dan Marino shall be spending a variety of time with Tua, and that features halftime when changes may be made to the sport plan . The present Head Coach shouldn’t be recognized positively for good in-game changes.
Spok507 says Grier wants to stay to his weapons and solely pay Tagovailoa what he’s value.
Everybody retains saying the Dolphins and Grier are at fault for not getting Tua’s contract accomplished earlier. Perhaps it’s Tua and his agent which are at fault. Perhaps they’re simply asking for an excessive amount of. “The market is the market” is a cop out and makes it apparent he’s the one taking part in video games. It’s extremely doable the Dolphins are being very affordable and Tua simply desires to be paid greater than anybody and re-set the market. That’s ego pushed and if that’s the case, I hope Grier sticks to his weapons and retains an inexpensive supply on the desk. The group shouldn’t be held hostage by one participant, particularly since Tua hasn’t proven he’s value a market-setting contract. If they provide him one thing between Goff and Burrow/Lawrence, I hope he’s good sufficient to take it. If not, perhaps he’d take pleasure in taking part in in Seattle. Or Minnesota. Or anyplace else that will be determined sufficient to pay him greater than he’s value.
ChumpPunk says he’s not value it, however give it to him as a result of what different selection do you might have?
Nah! Nobody place is definitely worth the cap cleansing quantity the QBs are selfishly taking. Nonetheless, the “market” has stupidly fostered this aberration they usually’re caught with it. So, pay up! Till the house owners get collectively and (illegally) cease this theft it should persist.
21Dave simply would not wish to hear about this s**t any longer!
If I say sure can we finish the speak about it, I imply I’ll say know if that does the trick. It doesn’t matter if he’s or isn’t , it’s not our name. The value for QB’s goes up, so it doesn’t matter what occurs he as of know provides us the perfect likelihood to win, so pay him and be accomplished. Have an out clause in it and be accomplished with it already. I’d like to see him stretch his cash out over 8 years so it’s much less hit every season.
PhinstantReaction says he’s not value it!
He’s clearly not value that contract. Only a few are. He’s not bodily gifted sufficient and hasn’t confirmed he’s a recreation changer. He’s part of a group so he ought to take a group pleasant deal like Baker Mayfield simply acquired. It blows me away that individuals don’t see he’s part of a system. He’s good, however he’s not the explanation the Fins are enjoyable to observe. He wants to assist his group proceed to pay different individuals.
Luvs2drnk2.0 says the Dolphins can’t afford to not pull the set off on the massive cash.
Right here is the extra related query. Can they afford NOT to pay Tua market worth? As a lot as individuals on right here appear to suppose it’s very straightforward to discover a franchise QB. Historical past has proven that it’s simply not that straightforward, and nearly all of franchises go 20+ years looking for a QB that may make them long run success.
DaGnome desires us to hearken to Kurt Warner and pay the person!
Take heed to the standard individuals like Kurt Warner, a successful, hard-working man, who speaks from expertise and never the speaking media hounds attempting to get clicks like others who I gained’t dignify by stating their names. Don’t you suppose a group is wise to place a system in on your quarterback that works?? Perhaps different groups ought to do the identical in the event that they aren’t.
I’m uninterested in listening to these individuals claiming he wants to stay wholesome. Joe Burrow is fraught with harm, DeShaun Watson, Anthony Richardson additionally joined these ranks, however they aren’t tossed on this dialog. After which you might have Justin Herbert, who sadly will at all times be linked to Tua, and his group had the fifth decide within the draft, however that’s okay as a result of he had a number of injured gamers. Tua misplaced 1 playoff recreation in ridiculous situations of climate, defensive replacements (gamers beginning in key positions had been in avenue garments the week earlier than), the offensive line was in its twelfth formation, Tyreek, Waddle, and Mostert had been additionally banged up, and but we hear individuals saying he must win a playoff recreation like he has been in half a dozen…. it was 1.
Dolphin followers, we have to unite, as a result of if all of us don’t get behind him, we’re going to undergo one other 20 years of sub-par soccer. The market value is what it’s. Tua goes to get lambasted irrespective of the contract, so simply get him paid, as a result of he’s the type of participant who will work even tougher and he’s undoubtedly the type of man I root for.
Dolfanjoe says wait and see…
Play out this season ! If he’s value it franchise him subsequent season and draft an understudy. Couple of huge complications from retiring now !
dolphinfan1323 didn’t say whether or not we must always pay him that quantity or not, however he blames Grier both approach, I believe!?!
Chris Grier is at all times behind what the market is and finally ends up costing Miami gamers or tens of millions in cap house!! He ought to have closed the deal early and would have been cheaper he has no downside throwing cash at different groups gamers however the gamers he drafted and Miami developed he desires to play onerous ball ridiculous. He simply can’t shut the deal and construct a whole group ppl on right here complain about his drafting nicely he has accomplished a good job with that trades and free company. He has did not construct an offensive line and retaining our personal drafted gamers when different groups are locking up there good younger expertise Grier is taking part in onerous ball they usually find yourself get overpaid in free company and we lose them it’s the Grier approach two steps ahead and two steps again at all times simply spinning the wheels
daytonadolfan says pay him, even presumably extra if that’s what it takes. Additionally, Joe is right; I hope I by no means should see White take the sector as a Dolphin ever once more.
Night, Tua’ ought to get at the least matching wage if not a bit extra . He’s higher than Lawrence for my part and they should pay the person.Skyler or White shouldn’t be the reply so what are ya gonna do …..go well with up an previous Tannehill?
glen55 says HELL YES, he’s value it. Nicely, he wasn’t that fired up, however nonetheless, a sure!
“Value it” is type of a philosophical query. Most individuals suppose that soccer quarterbacks shouldn’t be getting paid $50 million a 12 months. However within the precise QB market they’re, as a result of varied components involving the wage cap, the best way salaries are structured, and the essential significance of QB play to the groups. That’s simply actuality.
So … when you’re prepared to just accept actuality, then sure in fact he’s. He’s value greater than that. There’s nothing however a world of harm forward if the Dolphins don’t hook him up.
Thomas23059 allowed previous reminiscences to remind him that we’ve to pay Tagovailoa.
Somebody was speaking about Cleo Lemon right now. Tua is value no matter it takes to get him to remain.
NCSurferMike asks what else are they going to do?
Other than utilizing legs to increase performs, Tua has been higher than Lawrence in each approach. Neither is value 55 million a 12 months, however it’s what it’s. What else are the Fins going to do? Go along with Mike White?
The opinions on this topic diverse from no to sure to nicely, what different selection do we’ve? I’ve to agree with the what selection do we’ve group. In the long run, the group will give him just about what he desires, so it’s important to at all times surprise what the rattling holdup is, to start with. I simply hope this entire saga involves a conclusion earlier than camp begins in order that the entire group shouldn’t be requested about it each day. Once more, thanks to every of you who took the time to reply the query of the day and take part on the controversy.
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